The First Interview
I was on a cruise when I found out. On that first night in Juneau, my cleaner sent me a WhatsApp message, telling me that Claudie had ‘crossed over,’ as she put it.
Is Alaska an unusual choice? Not for me, dear. I dislike hot countries. They always look unfinished.
If I may, might I help myself to my wine and cigarettes? At eighty, I can’t help believing that to give them up now would kill me. Help yourself to the kitchen, and come and go as you please. If you want to leave your equipment here, it will be perfectly safe. I am long incapable of feeling alarmed, but I can assure you my home is.
We were both born to privileged Devonshire families. Claudie’s mother, God corrupt her soul, was a minor heiress, and Claudie’s father was what was termed ‘gentry.’ Claudie was born on the day Hitler shot himself. Myself, two months later.
When we were both twelve we were sent to the same boarding school in Surrey. It was about this time that my family sold the Devonshire home and moved permanently, as they thought then, to London. To this very house.
She was a striking girl. I’ve put all the photographs in a file on the hall table. If you looked at Claudie square on, she had a perfectly aquiline nose, plump lips and a very compelling green-eyed gaze. She had a cleft, a dimple on her chin, which I always admired, and her hair was thick and auburn. She was very Christina Rossetti in those days.
And yet, her profile could disappoint. Her nose, in that aspect, looked sharper and longer and there was evidence of a nascent double-chin even then. Her figure was always solid, but of course when you are young, nature fights hard to maintain the perfection of its creation.
She continued to look rather beautiful, and was perhaps at her peak in the mid-60s. The Rolling Stones weren’t getting any satisfaction, but Claudie was. She was very much a part of that zeitgeist.
Again, I go too far ahead. From ’57 until ’63 we shared a dorm. She showed huge talent in art classes, so during holidays her father would arrange for tutors to come to the house. Most times I would stay with Claudie, although I disliked the setting of her family home. It was on Dartmoor, not far from the prison, and I loathed the landscape. Claudie was looking for Heathcliff in those days, whereas I was looking for escaped murderers.
Not far from their family manse was a village, a horrible settlement of dreary homes, rendered in grey with unexplained pock-marks, as though the Nazis had come one day and shot them all. The church gave me horrors. It was all dreadful, and I’ve no idea why she loved it so much. I was raised on the coast. Both my parents avoided the moor whenever they could.
There were always arguments in that house. Claudie’s father was eagerly supportive of his daughter’s art and had already agreed that she could study at the RCA, whereas the mother, Vanessa, was dead set against it. She felt that Claudie was too masculine already. I think she disliked Claudie immensely, and certainly thought that her daughter was a lesbian. Of course, it was me who was the lesbian, although I had no attraction towards Claudie beyond the dimple in her chin.
Yes, of course you can mention it, although I don’t see the relevance, especially these days. If you want to know whether Claudie and I had a sapphic relationship, the answer is no. I have had very few of those in my life, preferring the idea much more than the actuality. I have mostly been a celibate queer, one of the loneliest outposts on earth.
The Second Interview
The brother? Anthony is still alive. He was at the funeral, although we didn’t speak. That was awkward, given we were the only two people there. Where? Some anonymous crematorium in Somerset. He was three years our junior and she doted on him, twice casting his likeness in bronze. Yes, bronze is expensive, which is why you won’t find a poor sculptor. Her father would watch the markets, and when the price of base metals dropped he would acquire some. The process? The lost-wax method, and you can look that up. I’m a writer, a person of strictly two dimensions.
If I may, I think you are overlooking Claudie’s skills as an etcher and painter. Yes, many were destroyed, but there are several that survived. I have photographs of the lost ones. They’re all in the file, and I’ve no doubt the art markets will be very excited to see them, especially now. She was drawn to an artist whom few will have heard of: a renaissance man called Albrecht Altdorfer, a contemporary of Da Vinci, although unlike Da Vinci, he was poor at drawing the human form. In an act of profound self-awareness, he became the first plausible landscape artist, and by that I mean a landscape without a rich benefactor or a biblical parade running through it. I’ll leave you arty types to discuss their merits.
That is a very interesting question, Mr Smith. Oh! Just Smith? Yes, I see. Very clever. In answer to it, I can honestly say that I hated Claudie’s sculptures. I liked her paintings and the two busts of her brother, nothing else. Yes, I often told her so.
At eighteen, Claudie went to the Academy. For context, I was simultaneously learning the craft of writing in various seminaries, and so we shared a flat in Pimlico. That period, in the early sixties, marked a seismic change in fashions, and Claudie threw herself into the look, although she lacked the skeletal frame the styles demanded. When we reminisce about those days now, our images come through the lens of a fashion photographer. Out on the streets you would have seen plenty of girls of little physical merit, squeezing their plump calves into white plastic boots.
She was famously apprenticed to Dante Isherwood, christened Derek. Artists!
I’m afraid I can’t answer that. I have no idea if he became jealous of her work. Claudie certainly came to think so, but she was an unreliable narrator. It was all a dreadful cliche; the ingenue, soon to become the enfant terrible, falling for her mentor. I used to put wet cotton wool in my ears to muffle the sound of their lovemaking. It’s bad enough listening to the foxes.
Isherwood was married, and the affair was hardly a secret. His wife publicly ignored it, although I can’t speak for the rows they might have had behind closed doors. Perhaps I am being unfeeling, but why disrupt the gravy train for a young girl?
The Third Interview
When the affair fizzled out, Claudie assumed indifference. She stopped having sex sometime before the moon landings, and whether she was fully conscious of cause and effect, her body began the transition from siren to gorgon shortly afterwards.
She remained on cordial terms with Isherwood, but without his patronage the commissions dried up. One night Claudie got the phone call from Dartmoor, telling her that her father had died. Regrettably, the funeral and internment took place in that dreadful church against a backdrop of howling gothic anguish. Vanessa behaved appallingly, as if she blamed Claudie for the carcinogens that took her husband away. We left the next day, and she never saw her mother, or the moors, again.
Two Hours Later
We gave up the flat and moved here. My parents had gone to Portugal by then, Claudie had inherited a large sum, and my third novel was selling well. It became clear that she would need the ground-floor rooms due to the mess she made with her materials, and I was happy to take the first floor. I only needed a room with a typewriter in those days.
But something had happened to Claudie. She had become a stranger to me. I suppose they’d call her bi-polar now, but I’m no expert. On the one hand, she had relied on two strong men, in her father and Isherwood, and now they were both gone. On the other, she hated that dependence and, certainly in Isherwood’s case, she began to dismantle the men who had raised her. She talked herself into despising them both, but it was all based on a false premise. They had not helped her because she was a woman, but because they recognised her talent. Claudie could not make the distinction.
And this is where she lived for twenty years, creating art a diminishing number of people wanted to buy.
Sometimes I would take a photo of her, those dreadful Polaroids. I keep them in a box to stop them fading. You may use them. I think the viewing public, if you are commissioned, will find the difference between the black and white beauty and the bloated, coloured monster she became quite shocking. For me, it was a gradual process, but even I, her greatest friend, became reluctant to meet her gaze.
Claudie had it in her mind that Isherwood was copying her work, and that he was trying to poison her so that he could sign his name on her pieces. She gave up drinking anything but vodka and tonic water, ironically poisoning herself in the process. And the quinine in the tonic made her obese.
Her hygiene was poor. Her fingers and nails yellowed, and she took to wearing sandals, even in the winter. She didn’t bother with socks or tights, so her blotchy legs, swelled by oedemas, were on display even during a rare appearance of London snow. She would go out once a day, to the corner shop. Beyond that, she never left this house. She behaved, in all ways, with a general air of madness, letting cats in from the garden and throwing nothing away. I had to let myself in when she was at the shops, discarding what I could in a guilty hurry. The next day there was always more.
Do I look tired? Then I should be quicker. You’ll want to speak to Anthony. I am sure he’ll give you an entirely different perspective, but I had lived with Claudie for almost forty years before they put her away. I think it’s fair to say I knew her best.
The crisis came in ’95, a week or so after Claudie turned fifty. I woke in the night to a clamour coming from her rooms; this room in particular. She was taking a hammer to all her pieces. Yes, the sculptures and the paintings. I called Anthony. It was about one in the morning, but he was still up. Did I go down to her? Ah! No, I did not. The truth is that I was frightened. She had a hammer. I have never had my bravery tested, not really, and that night I understood the scope of it, what little of it I had. Anthony called the police, and they took her away for psychiatric evaluation. Needless to say, she failed their tests. Or passed, depending on the purpose of them.
This was when Vanessa reappeared. She came with Anthony to survey the wreckage, or perhaps to gloat, on her daughter’s downfall. I won’t repeat her exact words, but it’s fair to say she thought me a poor custodian. They found a place in Somerset called Barrow. I think it was originally built as a sanitarium for TB, and sometime in the late 40s it became a place where distressed gentlefolk went. Not quite an asylum, more of a hospital which consisted of red brick Edwardian blocks, each of which had different functions. But it was a beautiful setting in an ancient woodland, and I rather liked it there. The canteen did wonderful food with generous portions. I always took Claudie ‘to lunch’ when I visited. She liked that very much.
One of the blocks was for women who’d been incarcerated for falling pregnant out of wedlock. Of course, there was no public appetite, not for a long time, for them to still be there, but they had become so institutionalised it was felt a kindness to let them stay. This was where Claudie was kept, with these women. And I suppose she inhaled the same anaesthetic.
Listen, boys. Would you mind if we extended this by one more day? It isn’t the talking. Not really. It’s just thinking of Claudie. No, please. There is no need to leave it here. There is more to say. I am simply an old device whose battery needs recharging more often than it used to. That is all.
The Fourth Interview
No, she didn’t. From the moment she set foot in Barrow, she turned her back completely on art. And, of course, she wasn’t supposed to have alcohol, so I expect she spent a dreadful time coming off that. It takes one to know one. So yes, you’re right. Her surviving works are pre-1995. Apart from those pieces which are already in museums or private collections, ninety per cent of Claudie’s work was destroyed on that night. The remaining ten percent? I think I should just mention that Claudie probably didn’t realise that anything survived at all.
Rumours about Barrow’s closure had been circulating for several years. Oh! Yes, you’ll want to know this. I visited her every week for thirty years, on a Thursday. A two hundred mile round trip, which I took by train and taxi. Sometimes Claudie was engaging and at other times she just looked at me blankly and asked me what was on the menu in the canteen. Sometimes she asked me what she was still doing there. I’m sure you’ll want to know the answer to that too. She’d been cleared for release several weeks after admission, but at the time, the place was something of a hybrid. The NHS ran the drug addicts and those who couldn’t afford to go private, and the wealthier depressives were there by either charity or family money. In Claudie’s case, it was the latter. By the time this approach was no longer acceptable, she didn’t want to leave. I am really not sure of the financial arrangements in latter years. You could ask Anthony, but I’m not sure how truthful he’ll be. In my mind, he and his mother put her there and they kept her there. Although he once told me that if I wasn’t happy with the arrangement, his sister could come back and live with me. Clever Anthony.
I realised my own hypocrisy. I couldn’t live without Claudie, but I no longer wanted her on my ground floor either. So I settled on once a week and the gift of vodka. If the staff knew, they didn’t mention it. Claudie once drank several bottles a day, so one a week was trifling. I think the calm measuring of the liquid, eking it out, focused her mind. The only time I missed my Thursdays was when I went on holiday, but I always made up for it after.
So, we reach this point. The hospital was scheduled for closure. The corridors and wards were emptying. What to do about Claudie? Anthony wanted nothing to do with it. He suggested, again, that I take her back, but I am not by nature a caregiver. Claudie began to exhibit the stubborn, erratic behaviours of old, and told the staff that she wasn’t leaving. She was still insisting on this when the builders began surveying the site.
Yes, I suppose you would think it timely, her going when she did. Best thing all round. I don’t suppose you’ve read any of my books, have you? I’m out of print now, but I was a queen of the plot twist in my time, especially where old ladies and emptying hospitals are concerned.
I visited Claudie the day before I went to Alaska, and by the time I boarded the plane, Claudie was already dead. I know what you must be thinking, but she asked me to. She didn’t want the world any more. And they were closing down the canteen. No doubt you think my tiredness is the byproduct of old age, and whilst that may be partly true, I saved a lot of my tablets for a month or so before my holiday. I couldn’t repeat my prescription without them asking questions about the sharp rise in my dosage, so I’ve had some sleepless nights. Well, that’s done now. The pharmacy is dropping more off this afternoon, so I shall sleep. Yes, I shall sleep.
We shared a bottle of vodka, looking out through the grimy windows at the ancient trees, and the few lost souls still pecking away at life, waiting to be placed elsewhere. We talked about our younger days, before Isherwood. And then she took them, and I put her to bed, all tucked up with the TV on. As she was drifting off, I traced her dimple with my finger. Silly, but I had always wanted to do that. Nobody was going to autopsy Claudie. Why would they? No motive. No imperative. No witness.
Well, it has been such a pleasure! I wish you so much luck with this. Imagine! Smith & Cyrus Productions! I don’t think you’re really very shocked, are you? No, I didn’t think so. I don’t need to justify myself, and neither should you. I am happy to go on the record, so as the editor says to the typesetter, let it stand.
I have left you two of Claudie’s surviving pieces, which I hope will help with your documentary expenses. They will be worth a hundred times more now, after all. Perhaps you would be so kind as to ring the police tomorrow afternoon. I don’t wish to inconvenience the cleaner when she comes.
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Clever! I love how your descriptions provoke such swift images - “as though the Nazis had come one day and shot them all” and “began the transition from siren to gorgon” were both instant effect. I also love how the tone conjures such a specific voice in my head.
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Thank you, Cherrie. I'm so glad you read this and enjoyed it, and your comments are really appreciated!
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Whoa! this had some banging lines!! The Rolling Stones weren’t getting any satisfaction, but Claudie was. She was very much a part of that zeitgeist.
and also:her body began the transition from siren to gorgon shortly afterwards.
Her character was so real, lived in and very unique. Great writing!!!!
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Thank you, Nicole. Your reviews are always rather wonderful !!
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“When you’re young nature fights hard to retain the perfection of its creation..” how true.
Made me laugh about masking ears to muffle the sounds of lovemaking… I think we’ve all been there at some point - though maybe not with wet cotton wool.
Such a well-drawn character.
A fascinating and tragic transformation. It was sad but fitting when Claudia destroyed most of her artwork.
Clever and impactful piece.
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Thank you, Helen. I'm glad you enjoyed it !
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Another exquisitely written story, Rebecca! My favorite lines are the ones of the author's self-reflection: "one of the loneliest outposts..." and "a person of strictly two dimensions," among others.
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Thank you, Colin. I really appreciate that!
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That line about transitioning from siren to gorgon was awesome. The slow transformation was aching.
Good job!
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Thank you, Patrick. I appreciate it!
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I was hooked from start to finish—great characters and an impactful final twist.
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Thank you, Denise. I'm very appreciate of your reading and taking the time to comment.
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Wow, I really enjoyed this! The way it was told with answers to questions we never hear, just like a documentary, is brilliant. Then the fullness of the story of their lives coming to a shocking ending was so engaging.
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Thanks, James. I really do appreciate you taking them time to read it and to comment.
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What a fantastically winding tale! Such a great concept carried out. Began by feeling like she was simply speaking to us, the reader, very poignantly before you come to find she's being interviewed. Then the question becomes...who would be interviewing her and why? All of the characters were just as captivating as the question of the interview, and I thoroughly enjoyed it all the way through! Just wonderful.
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Thank you, Ellen. I have left a compliment on your own story, which I really thought was delightful!
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Again, I’ve so enjoyed finding your work here. This narrator was a treat, and had so many good lines we could believe she’d say. I liked that I couldn’t immediately see what the interview format was from the start, and maybe we felt like she was talking to the police for a bit there, but then realized it was a documentary film crew (right?).
I also thought this was such a believable set up for character building, like her wanting to drink and smoke in an interview because she was 80. It’s hard to show not tell those details in a well-done way, and I appreciated how you did here.
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Thank you, Kelsey. Yes, it is a documentary film crew interviewing her because the famous Claudie had died. The original version of this story was much longer. I submitted it to a competition, (didn't win it, natch), but they did give me a commendation. Because I had to abridge it by almost 50%, some of the things which would have been immediately obvious take a little more excavating - and I glad you found the time. I really appreciate it, Kelsey!
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Beware the old ladies.
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Yes, they're very much underestimated. Thanks for reading, Mary.
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Brilliant character and excellent pacing. I truly couldn't guess where the story was going, but there was nothing out of place. The narrator is so thoughtful and insightful, so self-aware of her own shortcomings, that even though the ending surprises us, it's clear she'd been planning it for quite some time
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Thank you, Keba. As ever, a hugely insightful comment, for which I thank you.
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Rebecca this is one of my favorite examples of your work to date (and there are a lot of great stories to choose from). As though Eliot Rosewater had turned up at Grey Gardens ...
Ari
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Oh, that did make me chuckle ! Thanks, Ari. It's always good to hear from you!
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Hahahaha! She's a hoot (although, I must admit, I was also getting a bit impatient with your narrator). Hahahaha! Lovely work!
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Thank you, Alexis! Boring old ladies is my thing, don't you know!
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Love the voice here, truly old school and of a certain social set. Engaging throughout and a fabulous ending that wrapped the friendship up perfectly. Lovely stuff!
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Thank you, Penelope. Appreciated, as always!
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What a marvelous piece—outstanding character development and a brilliant ending reveal. Truly top-notch.
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Why, thank you old bean 😄
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Love the format of this story. Having intimate conversations with people is how we get to truly know someone. This piece shows that. Very well done
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Thank you, Maxwell. I'm so glad you appreciated it.
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Love the format of an interview where we got to know the MC through her words alone. We get to know people the best when we have conversations and this piece shows that. Very well done!
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This tale is so macabre and fully engages the reader in the plot. The central characters are well portrayed, and the scenes described guide the audience to appreciate the brilliant ending.
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Thank you, Julie. I appreciare your comments, and I'm pleased you enjoyed it!
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Just captivating. This piece has such a strong voice. As others have said, there are quite a few turns of phrase that sing, but the modulation of the narrator's voice - the consistency of tone, the recurrence of pathos and humor - is really impressive. Also, structurally speaking, I love the way you've rolled out the story as a series of interviews. Good luck in the contest!
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That's so good of you, Viola. I appreciate you both reading it and commenting upon it. I wish you the best of luck too!
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